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The X Factor – Trey & Nick’s Rankings – Top 6

  • by Nick Roman
  • December 6, 2012 at 4:18 pm
The X Factor · The X Factor · The X Factor Rankings

Hey guys, Nick here, doing the post (on Trey’s behalf) for this week’s ranking of The X Factor Top 6. I suppose Trey and myself have given up trying to portray this list as anything other than our own personal opinions, although we really do take a ton of different criteria into consideration when compiling our list each week, from performance to song choice, from attitude to likability, and the growth of each contestant from week-to-week. That said, I do have to reiterate that while these are our opinions, they aren’t actually our predictions for the official show rankings, and here’s why: in compiling the list, Trey comes up with his own rankings, I come up with mine, and then we combine our scores to come up with this list. So while I might have an act like Fifth Harmony, for instance, ranked towards the bottom, they end up higher in our rankings if Trey has them ranked higher on his. So this list is more of a reflection of our combined opinions on each contestant, as a package, from one week to the next. Because, really, after last week, it’s a zero-sum proposition trying to predict who goes home.

Now, onto the list…

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1. Carly Rose Sonenclar: It’s getting to the point where anyone else winning the show would be kind of a travesty. There have been a lot of discussions in the comments section of the live blogs each week about the degree to which Carly’s Broadway background makes her overqualified for a competition like this. Whether or not it’s a valid criticism to argue that a 13 year-old is even capable of being overqualified, there’s no denying her voice: its tone, its power, its control. And yet, what’s peculiar about her is the “alien” compliment that frequently doubles as a subtle criticism of her inability to really connect with a song. This was a point brought up in Monday’s “Reality Check” with Michael Slezak and Melinda Doolittle, and I feel like it’s a salient point to reiterate. Carly nails every note without flaw, and yet the larger issue is that she’s frequently tasked with singing songs that are outside her range of experience. It’s hard, for instance, to really buy a performance of “Rolling in the Deep” on anything other than an aesthetic level when it’s coming out of the mouth of a thirteen year-old. She’s invariably better when she’s singing songs that don’t require her to imbue the performance with some sense of personal reference, such as when she performed “Over the Rainbow”, what I would consider her best performance in the series so far. This week, she did an exceptional job with her Bieber cover, and even did Beyonce justice. But her vocal prowess has never once been in doubt. The question that remains is whether or not she can continue to deliver these high-level performances without audiences starting to resent her vocal infallibility. But then, I think her personality is endearing enough to keep that from happening.

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2. Tate Stevens: I didn’t think either of his two performances set the world on fire, individually, but taken together, Tate probably had his best night of the entire competition, delivering a versatile unplugged performance, while digging into his country roots with a Garth Brooks ballad that highlights the sentimental touch that people like about him. And I really would be remiss if I didn’t point out that Tate has one of the more underrated voices in the competition. It’s strange to say that anyone who consistently lands in the top 2 each week could be said to be underrated, but often it seems that people give Tate a pass for reasons other than his voice when, really, it’s one of the strongest aspects about him. He’s relatively unspectacular as a pop star, but as a country singer, he’s right on the money, and his personality is engaging enough to get people to vote for him on likability alone, which says a lot for how far a person can go in a competition like this. At this point, Tate is really the only person who can upend the inevitable Carly Rose victory, and whether that happens depends on how bad he wants it. Oh, and I guess on whether or not LA Reid doesn’t torpedo his chances with song choices that don’t show his range. But even then, Tate should at least make the finals without breaking much of a sweat.

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3. Diamond White: As much as I feel Tate is underrated, I find myself feeling the same way about Diamond. Not in the sense that her voice actually is underrated, but rather in how people treat her performances. It’s very much reminiscent of Amanda Brown’s treatment on The Voice, where she was held to a higher standard than some of the other contestants, for reasons I still can’t seem to understand. It’s the same deal here with Diamond, as her performances of “It’s A Man’s Man’s Man’s World” and “Diamonds” amounted to a pretty impactful one-two punch of emotion, by the standard of any thirteen year-old. Yet I have the same problem with her that I had with Carly, and with many other young kids on shows like these: aside from Diamond’s occasional tendency to strain her voice as if the competition a sprint and not a marathon, there’s also a disconnect between her and what she sings, as she lacks the relative sense of experience to make it feel like she really feels what she’s singing. This is the problem when you’re make to sing treacly Whitney Houston ballads, or thunderous James Brown classics, or even Rihanna tunes, which have a manic kind of energy to them that’s hard to put one’s own spin on. But damned if Diamond didn’t give it a go. I thought this was one of her strongest nights, and while I still expect her to land in the bottom 2, I still have to rank her based not only on how well she did, but also on her positive attitude and likable personality, to say nothing of how she stacks against the rest of the field. If there’s any justice, she’ll stick around one more week. Or at least have the chance to sing for her life, first.

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4. Fifth Harmony: I agreed 100% with LA Reid on the first song, and anyone who knows how much I can’t stand LA Reid will know how hard it is for me to admit agreeing with him. I couldn’t hear any appreciable sense of harmony from anywhere other than the background singers (identified by the more adult tones of their voices). It’s a major problem for the group, as they do tend to come across like five individual singers thrown together, with each one getting their turn at the microphone, and occasionally overdoing it (seriously, dial it back a little, Dinah Jane). However, I can’t front on their second song, which was the kind of high-energy, relevant performance that shows exactly where these girls fit in the current market. And they really did nail the harmonies there. The girls continue to be very identifiable too, as there’s a sense that they’re just regular teen girls who might live on your block. It really is no surprise to me that they’ve never been put in the bottom 2 by America’s vote. That said, I do expect that run to come to an end tonight. Whether they’ll actually be eliminated is anyone’s guess, but with only six acts remaining, it’s hard to imagine they won’t run up against some difficulty, particularly given their lower ranking. But I’ve been known to botch these sorts of things up before, so Fifth Harmony fans shouldn’t really despair just yet.

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5. Emblem3: The boys are still a shaky act, vocally, but they finally got to show a bit of versatility in their stripped-back performance of “Just the Way You Are”, and they also got an opportunity to really showcase their underrated harmonies. I think my only real problems with them is how Wesley’s voice frequently tends to drown out the other two; and also what a confounding song choice America settled on. “Forever Young”? Really, America? But these guys have a certain effusive charm that’s hard to put a finger on, as they seem humbled by the experience, but also ecstatic about being onstage. It’s like you could see them itching to just get up and start jumping around stage and interacting with the crowd during their unplugged performance. And that kind of attitude, coupled with how clearly they want this, can be more endearing than you might expect. They’ll be ranked higher than fourth when the final vote totals come in, and the only reason I have them at fourth right now is because their second performance was such a mess. If this had been a one-song week, they’d have fared much better with the unplugged choice. But “Forever Young” was just so uncharacteristically lifeless that it makes me wonder why Simon even shortlisted the song for them on the ballot. But, again, none of that will likely matter much to their fanbase.

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6. CeCe Frey: I’m sure CeCe is getting as tired of being on the bottom as I am of having to put her there, but she’s just not bringing it the way that a top six performer should be. And if she is, then it’s really not enough. And this is from someone who likes CeCe, someone who has always liked CeCe. And strangely enough, this is probably the kind of act she should have been right from the beginning, a bubblegum pop trainwreck. In many ways, CeCe reminds me of last season X Factor UK contestant Kitty Brucknell, in that she was a polarizing contestant almost from the very beginning. She was routinely in the bottom 2, and she would frequently be reduced to tears, as she could never understand why the voting public didn’t like her. It wasn’t until she started to embrace that outlandish GaGa/Ke$ha-esque stage persona that the public seemed to turn the corner on her. Unfortunately, she would be eliminated not long after. I imagine the same will happen here, as this return to the CeCe of old is probably too little, too late. I do like her feisty attitude, and the near-desperate desire to stay in the competition. She really, truly, genuinely wants this, and I think people recognize that and keep her in the competition. But that can only work for so long. Her relatively strong “Edge of Glory” performance was somewhat undone by the mess of her “Part of Me” number, so it’s hard to tell just where she’ll land. Who knows if she’ll survive the week, but at the very least, I expect her to have to sing for her life.

What are your personal rankings? Sound off in the comments!

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carlosr1993
carlosr1993 5pts

I agree with Carly and CeCe being at top and bottom, respectively. My list would be something like:

1- Carly

2- 5th Harmony

3- Diamonds

4- Tate

5- Eblem3

6- CeCe

realphill
realphill 5pts

CeCe has to be saved! shes a popstar! Diamond and 5th harmony will be leaving tonight i think... 

JoeTranch
JoeTranch moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

The thing that bothers me about X Factor from the start is that it sells itself to us as a different kind of music competition but ends up morphing into an Idol knockoff by the season's end. Why audition "potential pop stars" and "entertainers" if you're going to end up pimping the straight up vocalists who slip into the game? What they end up with is a competition of pretty good singers without much real world potential. I'd rather CeCe just record the next "Call Me Maybe." I don't care if she can't sing well live.

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@JoeTranch If I could like this more than once, I would.

JoeTranch
JoeTranch moderator 5pts

@NickRoman1  Ha! Thanks Nick. Right, though? If this is going to turn into a plain singing competition by the midway point, they should just search for pure vocalists from the start. They got lucky with Carly Rose this season. The rest of the "singers" were just solid at best. 

What happened to Panda? She was a great singer and a great personality, but I'm sure she was deemed uncommercial juts prior to the "judges houses" portion. What happens to us? We're left with neither the next Kelly Clarkson or the next Ke$ha. For me, CeCe will do solely because the process pisses me off.

Idol cookie
Idol cookie 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@JoeTranch At least Cece is entertaining. Diamond is just over rated and Carly's a trained circus act. I am rooting for 5th and Cece. I know Cece is pitchy, Mikhail and others, but she's the underdog!

JenniferChen
JenniferChen 5pts

Agree with all cept diamond should be lower and 5th harmony should be higher...

SayLiLiG
SayLiLiG 5pts

I like Diamond, but I feel like she shouldve stayed home when she went home the first time. It really wasn't fair to me for her to get the chance to come back. She has talent, obviously. And someone will pick her up.. like Disney. Thats what she reminds me of. CeCe shouldve been the one going home last week...NOT Paige. You could tell how shocked CeCe was when they said Paige and not her.

I agree thats its going to come down to Tate and Carly. Who will win? Honestly... It depends on how many housewives and screaming girl teenagers are PMSing, and/or guy is having his time of the month (EVERYONE KNOWS GUYS HAVE THEM! Lol)

Tate should win because Carly already has the road paved out for her. Tate DESERVES it and NEEDS it more. I <3 Tate.

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@SayLiLiG We all know it's going to come down to Taters and Carly-plant...that's been known for weeks! Simon is a dick and he wants the plant...he knows his groups will not win (plus, he won with what's-her-name last year... so he needs to create the pretense that there is fairness and subjectivity at play here). I hope the Plant is as successful a recording artist as last years' winner. I see Diamond a definite to go tonight, despite a slightly better performance than prior weeks--slightly. Emblem 3-Way could be a surprise departure.  Cece? Who the hell knows! She sucks balls but seems to stay afloat. They gave her the death spot so the hit is on for her. Emblem 3-Way were pure, underwhelming cocky smarm last night...they could be a surprise departure.

thelimoboy
thelimoboy 5pts

Stopped reading after "As much as I feel Tate is underrated..."

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@thelimoboy In the entry above, I explain that statement. I'm not talking about as a package, I simply mean as a vocalist. Most of why Tate is popular has almost nothing to do with his vocals, but simply his personality and the genre of music he's in. But I think he's actually a pretty good singer, and he doesn't really get too much credit for that. It's mostly "You're such an authentic, nice guy, Tate." 

thelimoboy
thelimoboy 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

@NickRoman1 @thelimoboy Haha thanks for being so level-headed with my rude comment. I agree about the source of Tate's popularity, but I still think he is extremely overrated. In my opinion, male country vocalists have it very easy: you just need a solid deep voice, a country twang, and have no vocal abilities beyond being able to carry a tune. Furthermore, probably one of the big selling points of a country artist is their ability to write and deliver genuine, heartfelt music, and in that aspect, he has not (and isn't allowed to) prove it on this platform. 

Realistically, being perceived as down-to-earth and humble is already 90% of the battle for him on this show. The other 10% he achieves by closing his eyes when singing something "heartfelt" and having a naturally country-oriented voice, neither of which is impressive to me. I believe Tate enjoys country music and can sing songs believably, but he adds absolutely nothing we haven't seen before ten times over, fifty times better. 

If we're going to praise him simply because of how his voice naturally sounds, he should be on The Voice. He probably wouldn't do very well there and it's only then, outside of the grandeur overproduced X-Factor picking-the-least-sucky-contestant environment, would people maybe begin to see how regular Tate actually is. 

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@thelimoboy Brilliantly stated, imo...and you are correct. His voice is good enough for cuntry. As someone who did not hear cuntry (or is it country??) music until I moved to the states...I feel most male cuntry artists sound the same. Deep baritone twang. He generally (but not always) stays on key. He is good when compared to the others who are constantly lionised on this silly show. It's all relative, eh? And I agree and very much doubt he would have gotten far on The Voice.

I feel LA was highlighting his "good guy" image as he knows that American voters like to feel a connection to the contestant they support--as if they are voting for someone  with whom they'd like to sit down and have a beer. So different in the UK. They don't really care how likable they are; they tend to prefer camp in their reality tv contestants.  ;) 

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName like.author.displayName 2 Like

Again...how does Diamond make it to number 3--even considering there are only 6 remaining? SMH....

She is tied--at the very bottom--with Cece. 

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@Mikhail XO How would you have ranked the entire lineup? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely interested in hearing your opinion on this. I think Trey had Diamond closer to the bottom than I did, but when we totaled our scores, she landed at three. And really, I don't know that I'd have put her under Emblem3, for example. They had a decent enough week, I guess, but I just couldn't rank them higher than fifth on my ballot after that second performance.

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO It makes more sense to have one person do the ranking./power list/ predicting. Or do two separate rankings/power lists. To tally scores and apply even a crude-elementary degree of math to this farce of losers seems futile. 

My ranking would be (not based on who I'd like  see win...but based on overall performance). It will be from least worst to horrific:

1. Plant

2. Taters (though I don't think he was that much behind her...)

3.(dis) harmony

4. Emblem 3-way

5 and 6. Diamond and Cece tied for last. It will be Diamond, & Emblem 3-way or Cece going home. Likely Diamond and Cece...but don't discount those Emblem boys for a shite-canning, they  were extra douchey last night...

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO  Awwww...you need to toughen up. It's not good to take things so personally...especially if you want to command respect. Right?  :) 

Hmmm...no, I don't often get "offended" here, but I often am annoyed by some (not most) comments that are  either idiotic, carelessly asserted, or made by posters who are simply daft tossers who throw around opinion with no foundation, and then proceed to become nettled or defensive if someone disagrees. Luckily most here aren't this way... so  when someone, as a defensive strategy, thinks they are going to derail my argument by outwitting me...I just take it in stride and Lol! 

Cheers! :)

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@Mikhail XO @NickRoman1 Yeah, I deleted my comment thinking I came across too combative! Haha. I often get worried that I'm going to say something to offend somebody, and I get skittish. Then I remembered something you said a few weeks ago about how you don't take offense to anything, that you know how to take it as well as you can dish it out. So now I just feel silly for getting so worried. I should know better than anyone that you've seen it all around these parts. Let's hope I can attain that kind of status one of these days. Cheers!

Mikhail XO
Mikhail XO moderator 5pts like.author.displayName 1 Like

@NickRoman1 @Idol cookie @Trey_ @Mikhail XO Actually...at this point, one improved performance is not going to do it. Emblem was better than her most weeks (not that I think they're very good either...). At this stage, the contestants are going to be judged on the body of their work. Either they have established a fanbase by now...or they haven't. Stop defending your "list."..it's not that complex--people either agree or they disagree with it. It's not like it's a scientific thesis.

Trey_
Trey_ 5pts

@Idol cookie @Trey_ @NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO Like I said previously at the end of the day this is just a list compiled by many distinctions such as discretion, and we offer people to sound off in the comments to offer where they think everyone should go. 

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@Idol cookie @Trey_ @NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO Actually, I was the one who was pro-Diamond this week. I think Trey had her lower. Mostly, I put her in my number 3 spot sort of by default, since I didn't think either of her songs were trainwrecks, whereas CeCe, Fifth Harmony, and Emblem3 each had at least one underwhelming performance. Diamond was fairly consistent through the night. 

Do I think she can win? Absolutely not. But I thought she at least did a better job than Emblem3, for example. But this list is only opinion, which is why I asked people to sound off in the comments with their own lists. 

Idol cookie
Idol cookie 5pts

@Trey_ @NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO I think we know that is how you did it Trey. You just fail to see that Diamond ain't all that. Mik Said yesterday she was awful.

Trey_
Trey_ 5pts

@NickRoman1 @Mikhail XO Keep in mind we aren't trying to pick the order or whose going home. This is just out of our discretion. 

NickRoman1
NickRoman1 moderator 5pts

@Mikhail XO @NickRoman1 Fair enough. Your rankings are probably a lot closer to how it will actually play out tonight, if I were a betting man.

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