Ratings: American Idol has it’s lowest ratings since 2002, ties Big Bang Theory

@Rickey@ArchieSue@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Ha ha...if anything Julie was bullying me when she first began responding to my comments (especially in the earlier days)...she would come out of the blue stalking my comments ....even if I 'said' something benign in nature (pro another reality show). She's a feisty one alright. So, ..she got it right back. But most here don't know the history....that's okay as, unlike Dana/Callie Hybrid, Julie is able to present a clear, passionate defense.

@DanaRimons

DanaRimons/CallieNatalia hybrid:

You sound hurt and personally insulted. Remember... It's only a tv show...it's only a tv show...it's only a tv show...it's only a tv show...

Nice manifesto, LOL! Who gets this upset about Idol ratings? If you hate the blog so much, go to "Idol Forums" for your blogging...where all is positive, Idol-centric, non-objective fan-based "ZOMG I love Idol" commentary.

Hopefully Julie knows better than to latch onto you.

@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Julie, Beware that MJ will ban you and you'll be out on your ass when you liberally refer to all who disagrees with you as "idiots" (as you always do), and accuse them of riding the "short bus". She won't take the sassing and the flaming. Just so you know. ;)

@ArchieSue Come back in the David Archuleta 'Nandito Ako' threads which are not too contentious. I'm hoping I can get videos when the air -- and maybe even translate! LOL See ya!

@Rickey@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Why would anyone care about Dez Duron? lols Anyway it's all good. Yes the ratings for idol suck but it is still around and still producing platinum selling artist like Scotty from just last season. I have stated my opinions already, thanks for responding Rickey. Have fun with the ratings war. Peace!

@ArchieSue@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Julie and I initially had a fight when she started dissing me over DEZ DURON. Then we became friends, then she got the confidence to comment again. And now we are locked in a battle over ratings every Tuesday, Thursday and Friday (along with Mikhail). She's a bit over the top, that's why we love her. I don't think we are bullying her. I cheer her on actually because I love her spirit.

Unfortunately, the ratings were bad for Idol on Thursday and she didn't have a good comeback. I honestly thought the ratings would be stable and we can have a nice back and forth. Julie will be happy again next week if The Voice ratings go down, so I'm not really worried for her.

We're all adults! This is the Internet for crying out loud. There's no crying on blogs! (Unless you're me watching Jordis...)

@ArchieSue@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Don't go yet, let me read this first and respond.

@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons This is the comment that I am talking about Rickey. She felt like you guys were harassing her and talking down on her. I reacted to that because I don't like bullying but that's my opinion of course. It's all good, it's your blog, you can do whatever you want with it. :) I have been coming here since season 4 but I guess I don't need to anymore, unless you have awesome Archie post, lols. Thanks for the laughs. I will make this my last post, happy now? You win, got got rid of me.

@Mikhail XO@Julie_Idol You are right, idol's ratings do suck and it should be a lot better. I am just happy it is still around for me to watch. I think it will get better as the season progress.

@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons Yeah he has been hating on idol for awhile now. I just can't believe that he has resorted to cyber-bullying you. It's stupid! You have an opinion and when you state facts that Rickey neglects to post, it's consider a "spin". lols. Anyway I still like some of Rickey's post but he has become really negative about idol. I personally like all 3 shows and I am glad that people are watching. The same freaking people that watch idol are basically the same people that watch the Voice, duh!!

I just want to see the Voice produce one platinum selling artist, just one. :) I know it's only their second year, blah, blah blah..So Kelly was the 1st idol winner, she did pretty good her 1st year. But they will argue that it's all about the ratings. Ratings don't always equal sales, if people don't give a crap about the artist on there. :)

So basically the Voice is a good reality show but will never produce a record selling artist, because it's all about he COACHES! Which I love!!

They don't give a crap about the singers . They gave Javier and Dia a 5 second mention about their albums on itunes on Monday's show.

Why are you hating on Nigel now, Rickey? Can't people have their own opinion? You don't like haters but you sure come off as a hater sometimes. Venting is fun!

@Rickey@Idol cookie@Julie_Idol@DanaRimonsRemember what John Lennon sang, "the way things are going, they're gonna cruicify me".

@Idol cookie@Julie_Idol@DanaRimons OMG I HAVE HATER! I have arrived!

@Julie_Idol anyone who leaves a 1000 word essay about idol is a nutcase. Don't fall into her obsessive trap. Rickey's sincere.she is a troll! And a huge hater!

@DanaRimons You are a troll posting under a fake ID. You can fool newbies like Julie maybe.

@DanaRimons OK, you are my new favorite poster here. Rickey is definitely an idol hater and has been ever since Kara and Ellen peaced out. I will stick around a more balanced blog like mjsbigblog-they are actually pro-idol over there and look at the real facts. You are right, if the Voice gets half of these ratings, him and his sidekick Mikhail will still try to spin everything. Besides VFTW, I have never been to another idol blog that harasses and talks down to its posters.

Julie, you have to realize that you are dealing with a lost cause here! I used to come here daily because Rickey offered a balanced and fair look into all reality competition shows. He has completely stopped doing that these days. He (along with a very select few and with that, I am talking single digits) has opted instead to be completely biased towards The Voice.

And trust me, it hasn't gone unnoticed by the internet. Do you know an actual twitter now exists that is a mock twitter of Rickey? It is actually hysterical because the tweets are a perfect description of the way Rickey has become this year and seeing someone mock him on almost a daily basis has become one of the highlights of my day.

Now, turning to the ratings. Did you notice Julie how Rickey posted Wednesday night's American Idol ratings very late and even failed to update that post with the news that it was adjusted up to a 6.1? Did you notice how in his original Wednesday post, he couldn't just deliver the ratings news as it was (which he said he does, all he is the giver of information as he would like us to believe) but instead, he had to "spin" it to try and make The Voice look better? Did you notice how he was so quick to post today's numbers with again, his added in commentary trying to bash Idol?

I was on another blog that I will not mention on here and a few posters commented that he really should quit covering American Idol because by covering the show the way he does, he is losing a load of credibility. And he is. He likes to accuse American Idol fans of "spin" when they say things like... "well, Idol has been on the air for eleven seasons, let us see where The Voice is in that time" or "Idol received a 6.1 demo for its ninth episode of the season while The Voice fell to a 6.0 in only its third episode of the season." He loves to call any facts that American Idol fans present at "spin" but once he and his minions on here do it for "The Voice," it is okay. That's not "spin" at all, right?

You have to realize, Julie. Rickey has never actually been a very reputable blogger when it comes to any of these reality shows. He is like the TMZ and Perez Hilton of reality show reporting. And much of the industry (from Entertainment Weekly) and beyond think of him as pretty much a joke. He just posts over the top tweets and commentary in order to get more views. And since he has this new personality now of putting down Idol and trying to lift up The Voice, he will be doing this type of reporting over and over.

Just wait until The Voice in doing high 4's and low 5's in the demo in a few weeks and Idol remains at high 5's and low 6's. He isn't going to declare Idol a winner. Instead, he is going to use some "spin" (the word he loves to accuse Idol fans of) and say "but look, The Voice is so close to beating the show...). Yet, if it was the other way around, well... you know exactly what his wording would be then.

You should do yourself a huge favor and comment and move to a more balanced blog. There's many out there which provide a down to earth perspective of ratings and on the shows themselves- one that gets conversations going based on reality and doesn't need to lower themselves to the state that Rickey has this television season.

And Rickey (as well as his minions who back him up), don't even try and respond to what I have said here as I have no interest in seeing the same garbage you spout on a daily basis repeated back. I will not respond and heck, I will not even see it, so do not even waste any precious time you may have.

Facts about the ratings this week that Rickey and his minions would like to ignore:

- Idol's Wednesday episode did indeed defeat The Voice in the demo.

- Idol's Wednesday and Thursday episodes did indeed The Voice in total viewers.

- The Voice airs once a week as opposed to twice. Trying to compare one night's Voice numbers to two nights of Idol is like comparing the ratings for one episode of a drama series against a week's worth of a soap opera.

Things that are not facts but up to debate and up to perspective:

- The Voice airs on a Monday with the only competition being CBS comedies. FOX, ABC, and The CW are no competition.

- Idol airs on Wednesday against competition from CBS and ABC. NBC and The CW are no competition.

- Idol airs on Thursday against competition from CBS and ABC. NBC and The CW are no competition.

So, which show has stiffer competition?

Like I said Julie, try and find a blog to comment on which holds somewhat a middle of the road perspective led by a blogger who has their feet planed on the ground and you will see a whole different side of things. Come back here once The Voice hits those low 4's and high 5's and see exactly what the spin is then. If anything, it will be worthy of a good chuckle.

And with that, done.

@Julie_Idol So, their lowest ratings in 10 years is MEANINGLESS? You are joking...right?

@Mikhail XO Grey's Anatomy and The Office had their lowest ratings ever last night. The Big Bang Theory was down 11% from last week. Its not just idol that is down this week.

@Julie_Idol@XL

Julie: Idol had it's LOWEST RATINGS IN 10 YEARS. Spin that one, baby.

@Mikhail XO@XL Actually, IDOL WON! 6.1 in its highest show compared to The Voice's 6.0. Also idol had 18 million for its highest show and the voice had 16 million.

@Mikhail XO Lols I am over it, it's all good. I will stay out of the crazy threads from now on. I am all about Archie anyway and Archie equals love and forgiveness. :) You guys can handle this on your own. Rickey knows deep down I still love him and his blog. I can never give up on the Archuleta.

@DanaRimons@Rickey Why do you take it as a personal affront if Rickey doesn't agree with you? ... and then proceed to go off on a manic rant? State your opinion (with passion and spirit if you choose) and if you like, state the facts too....but stop attributing all dissension of views to personal animus.

@DanaRimons OK just go. Thanks for your concern.

Let me know when you are in New York City some time and we can have tea somewhere.

@Rickey I am hardly disillusioned. And you have no idea how long I may or may not have been a reader of this blog. The reason I can state my opinion of you and how this blog has regressed is because I can vividly remember it being a different way.

Hey, this is your blog. You want it to be a place that breeds hate and nasty back and forth between people, that is your right. You want it to be a place where only the opinions that are held by you personally are accepted while others are just laughed on and called "spin", that is your right. Everything about this place is your right. But just know, it begins and ends with you. The attitude and type of persona you put forward is in direct relation to how things go down around here. And again, if you are cool with it, have a blast.

Like I said, every single blog out there has differing opinions with posters- but a modicum of respect, good will, and logical and civil conversation is the foundation of it. That doesn't exist here. At all. And it is a good thing that people are quickly realizing it because it will only get worse as the weeks go on, not any better. I have already let myself down by even responding when my initial post way up there (the one where I was called a nutcase) said everything that needed to be said.

@DanaRimons@ArchieSue OMG You sound so disillusioned. You must be a new reader or just unaware of the conversations on this blog for the past 8 years.

Aside from the fact that it's Idol season and people love fighting when it's Idol season, I've also been more active personally in the comments which I think is a big reason why there have been repeat commenters.

I mean, we're not even talking about ratings anymore, you're talking about ME. It's like your point for every comment is I'm such an awful person. It has nothing to do with ratings!

You sound so hurt that I -- the blog owner -- don't agree with you. Why is that?

@ArchieSue That is one of the huge problems with this blog, ArchieSue.

It isn't ONLY the hypocritical nature of some of the posters where what's said about one show is fair but if the same type of comments are said about another, it is "spin" and all of that but also, the problem begins and ends with Rickey himself.

You see, there is absolutely no accountability on his part for how nasty things get on here because HE is at the center of it all. His posts, whether they be the original posts or responses in the thread initiate the volatile nature of this place and in a way, he encourages it.

When you take a look at other blogs that focus on reality television, you see fans being fiercely loyal to a show, discussing things like ratings by putting their own perspectives on it, etc... but the way it is handled is VASTLY different from here. Banning and warnings are done to those who attack posters and above all else, the blog owner is someone who does NOT engage and initiate the entire thing.

As much as I would like to point certain fingers at Rickey's minions who just spout the same material each week but can't deal with it back when the spouting comes from those with a different opinion (if you have a different opinion, it is "spin' and nothing more), I have to point the main finger at the man in charge. He has tuned this blog from a fun place into a breeding ground for bashing and nasty responses. You can't expect members of a blog to be open minded and civil when the person who owns the blog is the exact opposite. Rickey loves this. He wants this blog to a ratings-war-infested place for people to argue and be snarky and nasty. And he has it now. The consequence though, people are quickly realizing it and running for the doors.

@ArchieSue@Julie_Idol@Mikhail XO If I didn't want you here, I would ban you and not even respond to you. That was my point. This blog is as open as it gets and we are all free to express our opinions.

You sounded like I needed people like you "because we don't get many posters here anymore". Julie can defend herself that's why she's so awesome.

@Rickey@Julie_Idol@Mikhail XO Lols so you are going to ban me for having an opinion. Sheesh!! You love her but you guys are ganging up on her. hmmmm I thought you wanted a fair battle of the shows? I guess not ! Don't worry I don't need your blog either, there are better blogs out there. You are the HATER Rickey!

@ArchieSue@Julie_Idol@Mikhail XO We don't need you ArchieSue. I can ban you if you want. We've been conversing here with Julie for weeks. We love her.

@Julie_Idol@Mikhail XO@Rickey It's because Rickey doesn't get many posters on here anymore so he will call out to posters in hopes that they will come back. lols. They are just trying to start something out of nothing.

@Julie_Idol@Rickey You should be flattered, Julie. We're considered hot in some countries.

@Julie_Idol@Mikhail XO OMG YES

@Rickey Well, Nigel is an arrogant little bastard for sure. I think the auditions, H'Wood week, top 40, top 24...blah blah people are feeling now that it is being drawn out and that the show is now dragging and becoming wearisome and vapid. I wonder if folks are waiting for top 10 to see if there is anything interesting or refreshing before they waste their time on boring tellie viewing.

I know I may well be alone in my thought processes here---but I think that the boring Southern country finale last year turned a lot of folks off. It was dull as delta dirt.

The Voice moves at a seemingly faster pace and seems more lively.